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    • December 18, 2015 10:39 AM PST
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      Did the DNC screw Bernie out of the race?

      Don't rock the boat... http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-sabotages-bernie/ 

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      Makes me want to vote for Bernie even more. The more it seems like all the others want to make him vanish the more people are going to want to vote for him. 

    • December 18, 2015 6:58 PM PST
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      I've been watching this take off on CNN and Time all day. If anything I see this hurting Hillary. This really brings out the truth that the Dems just want Hill to win so everything can stay the same. I can see a lot of anger from Bernie fans. Bern should do an Independent run and fuck up the other two parties. I think he'd win. He has a lot more support than most think, that's why they keep trying to downplay him.

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      Bernie is a disaster in the making.  He is not world class leadership material.  He is overwhelmed by Putin and that is a major flaw.  I really hope he doesn't worm his way in.  He would be worse than W.

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      I think a lot of Americans are very, very tired of all the world's wars going on, world police crap and so on. I don't think they care anymore what Putin is doing or what he wants. They want to see in home solutions to make America work well again. More inward, at home progress and less global crap. Indeed, if they are poor and having a hard time at home what difference does it make what we do outside the US?

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      SunFunBill said:

      I think a lot of Americans are very, very tired of all the world's wars going on, world police crap and so on. I don't think they care anymore what Putin is doing or what he wants. They want to see in home solutions to make America work well again. More inward, at home progress and less global crap. Indeed, if they are poor and having a hard time at home what difference does it make what we do outside the US?

      It makes a lot of difference.  You can't just stomp on the world, cause great migrations of immigrants, massive deaths then say.  Well we are tired of that now.  You reap what you sow.

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      Seems a bit over blown to me... I don't see Bernie as having a long shot at the nomination. 

      People say he is great, but I have yet to hear his message. 

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      SunFunBill said:

      Makes me want to vote for Bernie even more. The more it seems like all the others want to make him vanish the more people are going to want to vote for him. 

      I kinda feel this way also.

      What does amaze me is how the hard right figure he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, yet he seems to gain ground every day.  Hillary is a sell out.  Money is all she cares about and I think people are seeing that more and more every day.

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      EvilChris said:
      SunFunBill said:

      Makes me want to vote for Bernie even more. The more it seems like all the others want to make him vanish the more people are going to want to vote for him. 

      I kinda feel this way also.

      What does amaze me is how the hard right figure he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, yet he seems to gain ground every day.  Hillary is a sell out.  Money is all she cares about and I think people are seeing that more and more every day.

      I disagree.  He has less than a snowball's chance.

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      Just the 0.01% deciding who they have in power. So they can run the country. 

       

      This is manipulation of democracy in a so blatant way it's a wonder Americans stand for it. Whether Bernie is a good man to be President or not is a decision for the people, not a tiny group of people. Why is Bernie so bad for the people?

       

      As for admiring Putin. On some points I admire him. He realises that the ME is centuries away from being ruled by moderate leaders. Even when given the chances the people revert back to the tribal ways. American troops are now on the ground in Afganistan fighting the Taliban, because the Afgan Army can't keep the peace, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and others are falling apart without a leader like Putin. Who will give no mercy to those who give none back.

       

      Once the West realises that, the ME will be more peaceful. 

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      Just the 0.01% deciding who they have in power. So they can run the country. 

       

      This is manipulation of democracy in a so blatant way it's a wonder Americans stand for it. Whether Bernie is a good man to be President or not is a decision for the people, not a tiny group of people. Why is Bernie so bad for the people?

       

      As for admiring Putin. On some points I admire him. He realises that the ME is centuries away from being ruled by moderate leaders. Even when given the chances the people revert back to the tribal ways. American troops are now on the ground in Afganistan fighting the Taliban, because the Afgan Army can't keep the peace, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and others are falling apart without a leader like Putin. Who will give no mercy to those who give none back.

       

      Once the West realises that, the ME will be more peaceful. 

       

       Putin is Stalin.  He is killing a lot of people in Ukraine.  He has his sights set on rebuilding his empire. I guess once the west realizes that and turn him loose, Eastern Europe will be more peaceful.  Brno is only about a day drive from Kiev.  Remember to throw flowers when they arrive.

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      hardball said:
      EvilChris said:
      SunFunBill said:

      Makes me want to vote for Bernie even more. The more it seems like all the others want to make him vanish the more people are going to want to vote for him. 

      I kinda feel this way also.

      What does amaze me is how the hard right figure he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, yet he seems to gain ground every day.  Hillary is a sell out.  Money is all she cares about and I think people are seeing that more and more every day.

      I disagree.  He has less than a snowball's chance.

      Go ahead and back that up.  Convince me or at least nudge my political compass.

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      Bernie has some great ideas for the overall well being of the people, I actually love the idea of making college free (I know how very unlike me and socialist) but I am able to look far enough down the road to see that a better educated society is a better society.

       

      He completely loses my with his "class warfare" rhetoric  The top 1% make 58% of the income...........Uh, no shit, that is why they are in the top 1 % he also fails to mention they pay 85% of the actual tax dollars that go into funding the bloated government feeding trough

       

      His bitching about the cap on social security funding, but fails to mention the cap on benifits

       

      And Chris - There is no nudging your political compass, you are far left and would not move a mm towards the center :)

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      EvilChris said:
      hardball said:
      EvilChris said:
      SunFunBill said:

      Makes me want to vote for Bernie even more. The more it seems like all the others want to make him vanish the more people are going to want to vote for him. 

      I kinda feel this way also.

      What does amaze me is how the hard right figure he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell, yet he seems to gain ground every day.  Hillary is a sell out.  Money is all she cares about and I think people are seeing that more and more every day.

      I disagree.  He has less than a snowball's chance.

      Go ahead and back that up.  Convince me or at least nudge my political compass.

      Oh I don't want to nudge your political compass at all.  My observation is this guy is pretty naieve about the big world out there and is an idealist in a dangerous world of realists.

       By whacko American standards, in their eyes I would be a full blown communist, but the fact is that most people in the US have no idea of what socialism is apart from a bad word.  It can be scarey because there is no socialists in this election, nor is Obama even close to being a socialist.  I shake my head.

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      Do you support or like any of the candidates Hardball?

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      YNOTJay said:

      Do you support or like any of the candidates Hardball?

       

       

      gop or dems?

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      but if the party doesn't matter to you.  I would say Rubio.  I don't give a fast flying fuck about his stand on abortion.  We put that to bed decades ago.  I don't even care about his domestic policy or his stand on public health care.  That is for Americans to deal with.  Makes no never mind to me.  But in the Republican party he is the only one that has a real grasp of the real world and the real middle east.  And, I think, he will prudently kick ass internationally more than Hillary.  So as a third party observer...I would say he could get the job done.  

      An aside.  I think he is the only republican that has a snowballs chance in hell of getting elected.

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      Bernie has some great ideas for the overall well being of the people, I actually love the idea of making college free (I know how very unlike me and socialist) but I am able to look far enough down the road to see that a better educated society is a better society.

       

      He completely loses my with his "class warfare" rhetoric  The top 1% make 58% of the income...........Uh, no shit, that is why they are in the top 1 % he also fails to mention they pay 85% of the actual tax dollars that go into funding the bloated government feeding trough

       

      His bitching about the cap on social security funding, but fails to mention the cap on benifits

       

      And Chris - There is no nudging your political compass, you are far left and would not move a mm towards the center :)

       

      Giving kids whose parents can't afford the tuition fees a free college education. Has to come with a few rules. Subjects are in the Sciences or Teaching, kids have to pass exams and keep up the standards set. Otherwise good idea.

       

      The problem with the US tax system is none of you pay enough for the "services" you demand. 

       

      In the fiscal year 2015, the federal budget is $3.8 trillion. In the fiscal year 2015, the federal revenue is $3.3 trillion in 2015. You're coming up short by half a trillion dollars. That's $500,000,000,000,000. Agreed there's only so much one can squeeze out. And there's only so much one can cut before living standards plummet. The problem is carry on like this and there will be a day of judgement. Praying the world will keep printing money and giving it to Americans to buy stuff they don't from the "Chinese" so a few of them can be rich. Isn't a long term plan. 

       

      The recent bank crash was caused by giving people who couldn't repay it, free money. 

       

      Now here's what happens if the Government cuts spending by an amount people will notice. They cut back on Defence Spending and a few factories close, and a few 1,000 soldiers are sacked. The shops in those areas start to lose money, so cut back by sacking some people. All these people have to cut back on their spending, some are your customers and your revenue goes down. So you cut back on your spending. And before we know it, a recession is hitting us, bigger than the last bank crash. Because the cuts went right the way through the public sector. Which put people with a job, on the breadline, and people relying on them as customers in the same line. 

       

      So where do you think the cuts should be made from the bloated government feeding trough?

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      I don't know why people even argue about free education - anything else doesn't make any sense. As a country you want future tax payers, the better you educate them - no matter if their parents can afford it or not - the higher your chances of their wellbeing. See Germany for example. I studied for free at the age of 27, then got a good paying job and then founded my own company - without being crippled by debt. And then got driven out of the country because of their stupid porn laws - had to fire 3 employees and made them collect unemployed benefits again. But that's a different topic.

      and even when i am not big in art and literature - this is something a society needs as well - life cannot be only about making money. so making those pay to study is stupid

       

       

       

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      We often hear Americans scream about cutting Government spending, as if all the people employed by this spending, don't spend themselves, don't maintain the economy and those people are nothing to do with us. 

       

      America is being subsidised by $500 billion a year. Cut the budget by that, and it will trickle up, right to those billionaires who own the businesses supplying the people. Passing all of us on the way and making us tighten out belts. 

       

      Or don't stop borrowning while cutting Government spending. So people can have the latest Chinese Manufactured, iPod, tablet, laptop, TV, clothing, European car, etc. 

       

      I grew up in a time where more money in my pocket, kept a Brit in a job. Now it's a different world where we rarely buy anything made by our fellow countrymen. and if we take that apart, we find "Made in China" all over some parts. We've had 50 years of oppulence, it won't last. Unless the money keeps flowing so we can keep buying, ad infinitum. 

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      I would love for all Americans to get a free education. 

      One of my friends just became an Irish citizen because as an Irish citizen their child gets a free college education. 

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      America likes to keep everyone fat, dumb and uneducated though. At least that's what the top 1% of the 1% wants. It's much easier to control people that are vulnerable and can't think for themselves.

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      YNOTJay said:

      America likes to keep everyone fat, dumb and uneducated though. At least that's what the top 1% of the 1% wants. It's much easier to control people that are vulnerable and can't think for themselves.

      But an easier way is to create a state of fear like GW Bush did.  Just like the old Soviet Union and Vladimir Putin is doing today.  It is exactly what the GOP is trying to do at the moment.  I have said it before, but we are only one big bomb away from a Republican president being elected.

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      America likes to keep everyone fat, dumb and uneducated though. At least that's what the top 1% of the 1% wants. It's much easier to control people that are vulnerable and can't think for themselves.

       

      I don't believe this for a moment. The top 1% knows the bottom 10% are dumb as a door knob. 

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      YNOTJay said:

      America likes to keep everyone fat, dumb and uneducated though. At least that's what the top 1% of the 1% wants. It's much easier to control people that are vulnerable and can't think for themselves.

       

      I don't believe this for a moment. The top 1% knows the bottom 10% are dumb as a door knob. 

       

      I'm amazed when I see dirt poor middle Americans vote Republican. People like the Koch Brothers now determine more of American politics than all those voting. And Americans still put up with it. Vote for the people with the right ideas, not the biggest campaign pots. And do it for more than the President. Also look at the income bracket of politicians, are those in the 0.05% really worried about the 99.%?

       

      As for fear. When politicians no longer fear voters. Voters should be fearful of their politicians. 

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